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CSVT#0415
06-19-2010, 11:57 PM
Okay, so...me and my fiancée were down on uni tonight after the poker run,which was awesome fun thanks all! Anyway we were talking and I was trying to define to her the difference between a "tuner" or "muscle car" . A lot harder than I thought! How would you describe the difference?

Secondly, we started talking about it when my son said " your a tuner right dad?" I said I would consider my car closer to a muscle car than a tuner. And our conversation ensued.
So....what would YOU consider a Ford Contour SVT w/3.0 swap? Tuner or muscle car?

Saleen2bfree
06-20-2010, 07:11 AM
:umno: My opinion is Tuner,

Go to Wikipedia and look up muscle car. I think its laid out pretty well. Not even all Mustangs or Challengers or Camaros are considered "muscle cars" I guess the way I view it that there are no front wheel drive muscle cars. With that said, there are some Tuners out there that dusting muscle cars at the strip. Grab that title and run with it. :bounce:

TF2v97SN
06-20-2010, 09:17 AM
if you would asked the security guy at mystic lake he would said tuner. he was like there were 8 gorgeous mustangs and then a little red mercury had to park in the middle of them, how stupuid is that...

BlownSVT
06-20-2010, 10:25 AM
I think the most basic definition in my mind is V8 + RWD = muscle car, anything else = tuner with a few exceptions for some of the muscle car era 6 pack rwd cars.

TF2v97SN
06-20-2010, 10:28 AM
I think the most basic definition in my mind is V8 + RWD = muscle car, anything else = tuner with a few exceptions for some of the muscle car era 6 pack rwd cars.

Like

drop top
06-20-2010, 12:14 PM
if you would asked the security guy at mystic lake he would said tuner. he was like there were 8 gorgeous mustangs and then a little red mercury had to park in the middle of them, how stupuid is that...

You are such a meanie Brett, Should we start talking about how many tuner cars with little mods beat up on stock GT's or GT's with bullitt intakes.......
:chainsaw::chainsaw::chainsaw:

CSVT#0415
06-20-2010, 01:34 PM
Okay,I see you all are saying and respect that. So majority says my csvt is tuner,okay sounds fair enough. I mean I would prefer to be a "muscular " type vehicle rather categorized with civics, cavaliers, neons, vws,etc but I understand the justification. Thanks all for your input! Take care! Chris

MadJack
06-20-2010, 02:08 PM
how about we name them "muscle tuners" ? i think that sounds good. :engarde:

FLSTCI71
06-20-2010, 05:40 PM
how about we name them "muscle tuners" ? i think that sounds good. :engarde:

+1 I like that!!

Here's a thought:

Muscle = Cool
Tuner = Cool
Ricer = Not so much

BlownSVT
06-20-2010, 05:52 PM
Okay,I see you all are saying and respect that. So majority says my csvt is tuner,okay sounds fair enough. I mean I would prefer to be a "muscular " type vehicle rather categorized with civics, cavaliers, neons, vws,etc but I understand the justification. Thanks all for your input! Take care! Chris

I know what you mean but can you really call a contour a muscle car? it is a FWD 4 door that makes less than 200 crank hp.

MadJack
06-20-2010, 06:18 PM
with little mods it'll make 220 easy.

p51mstg
06-20-2010, 08:37 PM
I like the "muscle tuner" classification.

I remember hearing a story about the prohibition days, and all the gangsters driving Fords. "Why?" you might ask... because they were faster than anything else - they had bigger engines. My memory might not be 100% accurate, but that's how I remember the story.

TF2v97SN
06-20-2010, 09:16 PM
put a blower on it then well talk:drool:

MadJack
06-20-2010, 09:41 PM
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/300644

http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?59038-heat-pump-lol

http://www.3lduratec.com/contoursupercharger.html

need anymore examples? want turbo examples? lol
mine will have one soon enough :D

Budderigs
06-20-2010, 10:00 PM
I know what you mean but can you really call a contour a muscle car? it is a FWD 4 door that makes less than 200 crank hp.


im pretty sure the op of this thread is making darn close to 200 wheel unless he made some kind of a change sense Ryan had it. that little tour is pretty quick. would be a good car for a blower. I do agree not a muscle car...

MadJack
06-20-2010, 10:01 PM
ya chris' car is around 200, im close to 200 also. after the few intake mods ill be around 220-230 at the wheels.

Budderigs
06-20-2010, 10:04 PM
yours made 170sh. I was there when it was last dynoed. you would be close to 2 when you get it tuned for the cams that are in it now.

MadJack
06-20-2010, 10:06 PM
oh god, something else i didnt know lol, what cams are in it??

Budderigs
06-20-2010, 10:30 PM
2007 escape I think, you would have to ask joe

MadJack
06-20-2010, 10:35 PM
ha! like he'll tell me, but ill ask anyways.

Budderigs
06-20-2010, 10:37 PM
what ever the engine came out of thats what the cams are for. the new engine had differnt cams then the old one so it runs like poo... get it tuned it will be fine.

Budderigs
06-20-2010, 10:39 PM
btw your car has a diablo in it tuning it at aps should be a breeze and fairly cheep.

MadJack
06-20-2010, 10:40 PM
sweet, i tried getting ahold of them, but never got a call back. im waiting to tune it until i got my intake mods done.

BlownSVT
06-20-2010, 10:57 PM
with little mods it'll make 220 easy.


http://www.cardomain.com/ride/300644

http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?59038-heat-pump-lol

http://www.3lduratec.com/contoursupercharger.html

need anymore examples? want turbo examples? lol
mine will have one soon enough :D


I hear you but you don't classify a car based on modifications. I have friends with honda civics that layed down 650+ hp but they don't suddenly become muscle cars because of it.

CSVT#0415
06-21-2010, 01:30 AM
I agree with above post. HP isn't how I classify muscle car. I guess I would kinda agree with the v8+rwd = muscle. But then I run into....a v6 Buick GN=muscle. A 6cyl twin Turbo RWD Toyota supra...same as Buick GN but is classified a tuner cuz its Toyota?
Well all thanks for the input! I hope I didn't step on any toes,I surely didn't mean to. Just thought it would be a entertaining descision.

And to who knows,about my car, yea I guess it last dynod at 197whp. Getting a UIM with larger runners and PnP'd TB from TRicker, along with AC delete. Hope to squeek out 210whp. If more then great. I ain't going to expect to much. I am concidering turboing it since I have a real nice Turbo I got in a trade, I know nothing about turbos yet and someone told me it was a T66 Turbo. Its huge and maybe to big, so may sell it and try supercharged. I'd just like to get 300whp but still be reliable if possible. We'll see,i got A LOT to learn for a lot of you.

DNeinstadt
06-21-2010, 07:11 AM
300whp and reliable is not really easy to get possible... you are talking about doubling horsepower in that car...

But if you're interested, 3Lduratec has a supercharger kit.... :)

Dan

notnss
06-21-2010, 07:18 AM
Tuner car....but a sweet tuner car if it makes you feel better.

Blackcoog
06-21-2010, 09:38 AM
As stated if you look up Muscle Car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car) you'll notice that only 2 door RWD V8 1960-1970 cars are muscle cars. So the vast majority of the people on here do not own muscle cars. I wouldn't call anyone with a domestic a Tuner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuner_%28car%29) either because supposedly that only refers to imports with aftermarket mods. Then again that is based on wikipedia which isn't always true but it's normally pretty close.


300whp and reliable is not really easy to get possible... you are talking about doubling horsepower in that car...

But if you're interested, 3Lduratec has a supercharger kit.... :)

Dan

What u talkin bout Willis? I drive mine daily!

No1Ford
06-21-2010, 11:37 AM
As stated if you look up Muscle Car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car) you'll notice that only 2 door RWD V8 1960-1970 cars are muscle cars. So the vast majority of the people on here do not own muscle cars. I wouldn't call anyone with a domestic a Tuner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuner_%28car%29) either because supposedly that only refers to imports with aftermarket mods. Then again that is based on wikipedia which isn't always true but it's normally pretty close.


This. :fork:

BlownSVT
06-21-2010, 11:40 AM
This. :fork:

I would argue that a 71 442 is also a muscle car. :evilwhip:

No1Ford
06-21-2010, 11:44 AM
I would argue that a 71 442 is also a muscle car. :evilwhip:
Sure, then I would say what about the 429 Mustang? After 1970 the cars got big and ugly.

No1Ford
06-21-2010, 04:29 PM
Looks like I own a authentic american muscle car....... :uhoh:





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MadJack
06-21-2010, 05:20 PM
all very good points. but isn't one definition of muscle car , putting a bigger engine from a bigger car into a smaller car to improve performance. doesn't this cover the 3.0 swap contours and cougars ?

Miller
06-21-2010, 07:53 PM
muscle cars can not be FWD, I'd even have a hard time calling an AWD car a muscle car. Muscle cars are RWD with a front engine and almost always 2 doors.

BlownSVT
06-22-2010, 12:26 AM
all very good points. but isn't one definition of muscle car , putting a bigger engine from a bigger car into a smaller car to improve performance. doesn't this cover the 3.0 swap contours and cougars ?

put a big block into a contour and convert it to RWD then we will call it a muscle car.

CSVT#0415
06-22-2010, 02:10 AM
yea now with all the points made i would agree with the muscle car arguements for the most part. FRD I guess I wouldnt consider a muscle car no matter what the motor. But I dont agree with some, I would say there are some 4 doors i would call muscle cars, like the newer impala, G8, older chevelles, etc... But I still aint going to call my car a tuner. hahaha.....maybe a ....not hot rod, maybe luke warm rod? hahaha
Good discusion we have going though.

MadJack
06-22-2010, 05:24 AM
tuner implies 4 nager and fwd, muscle car v8 rwd, we dont have 4 bangers, but we are fwd, so i think muscle tuner is a good mix of worlds

HELLFYR
06-22-2010, 06:58 AM
tuner implies 4 nager and fwd, muscle car v8 rwd, we dont have 4 bangers, but we are fwd, so i think muscle tuner is a good mix of worlds

The proper term is Sports Sedan... it falls into the same category as the Taurus SHO, Bimmers, Mercedes, Maserati and Audi.

Saleen2bfree
06-22-2010, 07:21 AM
Here is a site dedicated to muscle cars (below) so I'm certain they have put some thought into this. I don't see any 4 doors or FWD's. No sedans either. Your Mystique is a ( Nicely )modified sport sedan I.E. "Tuner" Not a muscle tuner. :engarde: There's nothing wrong with being a Tuner. Now a days with sophisticated engine setups, fuel injection and computer chips I think all of of late model car owners are leaning toward being "Tuners" ourselves. But Tuners are mostly classified as European or Japanese cars.

However, I do have some metric bolts on my car. :yikes:

http://musclecarfacts.net/

Grenade
06-22-2010, 09:19 AM
Realistically mustangs are not Muscle cars. They are pony cars. Muscle cars originally meant mid-size to full size cars with big blocks. The term has been watered down over the years. Sorry I have owned a 3.0 Contur SVT. It is way closer to a tuner car than a muscle car. Doesn't mean it can't have nice performance. Lets see one of you Contour guys beat my stock tire time of a 14.5 @ 94.75. I was only makeing 175 hp. Should be easy to do with close to 200 whp.

CSVT#0415
06-22-2010, 03:22 PM
You know most of you are right, the term muscle car has been over used. And thank you 2befree! i was basically looking for a term for my style car....Sport Sedan! Thank you. I wasnt trying to step on any toes and glorify my car, believe me, i know it aint no mustang cobra! but I know it aint a honda civic either. I dont mind being in a tuner class either, I love tuners, I was just trying to see what kind of class i was in. As for the street tire time, Ill lyk what i get the first time i go to rock falls. I think I otta do ok.

DNeinstadt
06-22-2010, 03:32 PM
I would call it a custom sedan! :)

FORDSVTPARTS
06-22-2010, 07:26 PM
Muscle cars were American built cars from the sixties and early seventies, nothing else counts regardless of what's been done to it.

It doesn't mean they're the fastest things on the road now but they were in their day.

The GTO is usually credited as the first muscle car and for the most part they were of that general size, Pontiac GTO, Buick Skylark Grand Sport, Chevelle, Charger, Road runner etc.

The Mustangs, Challengers, Camaros, 'Cudas and Firebirds were referred to as Pony cars in deference to the car that invented the class which was of course the Mustang.

Muscle cars basically died in about 1971 when the compression ratios dropped and power disappeared, they still built big engined cars but they were gutless from the factory.

A Contour would be a tuner regardless of power, just like an SVT Focus is a tuner even if it's a 380hp turbo beast.

Imports don't qualify as muscle cars regardless of their power level or drivetrain layout.

MadJack
06-22-2010, 09:51 PM
The proper term is Sports Sedan... it falls into the same category as the Taurus SHO, Bimmers, Mercedes, Maserati and Audi.
i completely agree, sports sedan it is :D

Saleen2bfree
06-22-2010, 10:07 PM
You know most of you are right, the term muscle car has been over used. And thank you 2befree! i was basically looking for a term for my style car....Sport Sedan! Thank you. I wasnt trying to step on any toes and glorify my car, believe me, i know it aint no mustang cobra! but I know it aint a honda civic either. I dont mind being in a tuner class either, I love tuners, I was just trying to see what kind of class i was in. As for the street tire time, Ill lyk what i get the first time i go to rock falls. I think I otta do ok.



I appreciate the "shout out" but is was HELLFYR that dubbed your ride as "sport sedan" I simply added "modified" which it is. I'm a bit of a tuner myself so I appreciate taking a late model car and bringing it to the next level of performance. Just make sure you don't add a fart can. I hate those pipes!:bugeyes:

jaymz
06-27-2010, 08:53 AM
Muscle car/truck + Tuner movie = SVT Lightning

You see a few car shows now that have a "Fast and Furious" class. Always wanted to enter my Lightning and DEMAND that it be classified as a "Fast and Furious" vehicle instead have having to compete with all the 6' high, jacked-up 4 X 4s.

NO 4 door sedan can be a muscle car. Man, I hate sedans; wouldn't have one on the property.

Jim

MadJack
06-27-2010, 09:20 AM
i ove my sports sedan, can carry the family in it and still have a crap ton of fun :D

HMMRDWN
06-27-2010, 01:15 PM
Nice discussion... I do believe that the classic muscle cars from days of old also had to be manual transmission. :)

FORDSVTPARTS
06-29-2010, 09:05 PM
Nice discussion... I do believe that the classic muscle cars from days of old also had to be manual transmission. :)

Um, no.

The TH-400, 727 Torqueflite etc made for some very quick cars.

p51mstg
06-30-2010, 10:33 AM
What's the transmission Chevy made that was a 2-speed auto? They still use those in stock cars.

jaymz - I have a "thing" about that whole "Fast & Furious" class designation - when I see that, all I can think is that the show organizers don't know how to classify those cars - "they all look the same to me", kind of thing.

Sorry, I digress..... we were talking about what again? :fruit:

FLSTCI71
06-30-2010, 10:48 AM
Um, no.

The TH-400, 727 Torqueflite etc made for some very quick cars.

Very true, cars with those ATs were almost as fast as cars with C4's and C6's....

Doodler
06-30-2010, 11:51 AM
What's the transmission Chevy made that was a 2-speed auto? They still use those in stock cars.

powerglide. damn near bulletproof trans

FORDSVTPARTS
07-01-2010, 06:01 AM
Very true, cars with those ATs were almost as fast as cars with C4's and C6's....

I see what you did there,

But,

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml




50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE

1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65

2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65

3 1969 Road Runner 12.91@111.8 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69

4 1970 Hemi Cuda 13.10@107.12 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69

5 1970 Chevelle SS454 13.12@107.01 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69

6 1969 Camaro 13.16@110.21 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69

7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68

8 1970 Road Runner 13.34@107.5 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69

9 1970 Buick GS Stage I 13.38@105.5 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70

10 1968 Corvette 427 13.41@109.5 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68

11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69

12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67

12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?

14 1968 Road Runner 13.54@105.1 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69

15 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.29 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73

16 1969 Corvette 13.56@111.1 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69

17 1969 Super Bee 13.56@105.6 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69

18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69

19 1970 Challenger R/T 13.62@104.3 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69

20 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70

21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68

22 1964 Polara 500 13.70@107.37 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64

23 1969 GTX 13.70@102.8 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69

24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69

25 1971 Road Runner 13.71@101.2 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71

26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71

27 1971 Corvette 13.72@102.04 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71

28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70

29 1968 Hurst/Olds 13.77@103.91 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68

30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda 13.78@101.2 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69

31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 HO 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68

32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67

33 1965 Catalina 13.80@106 421 6V ? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65

34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack 13.80@104.2 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69

35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71

36 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66

37 1969 Coronet R/T 13.83@102.27 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10 SS 4/69

38 1968 Cyclone GT 13.86@101.69 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68

39 1969 Nova SS 396 13.87@105.1 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69

40 1969 Shelby GT-500 13.87@104.52 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69

41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet 13.88@101.7 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69

42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 13.88@95.84 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69

43 1962 Corvette 13.89@105.14 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62

44 1969 Barracuda 13.89@103.21 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69

45 1962 Catalina 13.90@107 421 4V ? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62

46 1969 Mustang Mach I 13.90@103.32 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69

47 1967 GTO 13.90@102.8 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67

48 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70

49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V ? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70

Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock

jaymz
07-01-2010, 07:23 AM
What's the transmission Chevy made that was a 2-speed auto? They still use those in stock cars.

jaymz - I have a "thing" about that whole "Fast & Furious" class designation - when I see that, all I can think is that the show organizers don't know how to classify those cars - "they all look the same to me", kind of thing.

Sorry, I digress..... we were talking about what again? :fruit:

My point on the Fast and Furious thing is that the Lightning is for sure NOT a tuner car, but since it appeared in the movie, show organzers would be forced to put the Lighting in the F&F class. Now if they had a "Street Truck" class so I wouldn't have to compete against the redneck 6' high jacked up mudder trucks, then...fine.

Jim

Saleen2bfree
07-01-2010, 07:55 AM
:thinkerg: OK. So I think it's pretty fair to say that that Muscle cars are born of the 60's and 70's which leads to the question of todays new era of cars "inspired" by the the muscle cars of latter years. Cobras, Challengers, Camaro's..etc. with high HP engines and retro styling.

What would you call these cars? They have to have some sort of classification. Maybe pony? But even a 6 banger can be a pony. :banghead:

HMMRDWN
07-01-2010, 12:35 PM
How about modern muscle?

Stilz
07-01-2010, 05:47 PM
I'm still waiting for a Red MercSVT VS a little blue SVT that has been around it a few times... hehehe

Saleen2bfree
07-01-2010, 07:38 PM
How about modern muscle?

How about "Muscle tuner"? KIDDING!! :biggrin2: I say let's bring it into the 21st century. How about modern "steroid" cars? :headbang:

ClOckwOrk
07-05-2010, 08:12 PM
you guys think too hard. fast is fast, cool is cool, badass is badass, and rice is stupid. :chillpill:

MadJack
07-05-2010, 09:38 PM
:biglaugha:

us, think, no way lol

sonicx
07-08-2010, 11:49 AM
How about modern muscle?

Im not sure if you have / haven't seen but:

2011 Dodge Challenger SRT8 is set to get a big increase in power. We’ve already heard numerous rumors of a new 6.4-liter V8 replacing the current 6.1-liter unit, but now comes word that along with improved efficiency, the new engine will boast 480-hp and 460 ft-lbs of torque – increases of 55-hp and 40 ft-lbs respectively. The new engine is also touted to get ZF’s new 8-speed automatic transmission for improved performance and fuel economy.

But for $46K... i'd take a Mustang :)

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/06/2011-dodge-challenger-srt8-predicted-to-get-480-hp-from-new-6-4l-v8.html

Fredensborg
08-07-2011, 08:47 PM
So, just out of curiosity, how many people on here own a "Muscle Mustang"? I guess I would consider that to be the classics from '64 1/2 to '73 <-----(mine yay!). Dont get me wrong, I love the new stuff too. There are plenty of new 'stangs I would kill to get ahold of. I was just wondering!

DNeinstadt
08-07-2011, 10:32 PM
'66 Fastback here.

MadJack
08-08-2011, 05:23 AM
i would think if your rolling with over 500 hp in a mustang its muscle, otherwise your still a pony car. jmo

DNeinstadt
08-08-2011, 07:08 AM
Nick, I'm not sure if you know what 500hp feels like or not but that's not how a muscle car is technically defined.

Fredensborg
08-08-2011, 07:19 AM
I guess that was kinda poor wording on my part, I'm not denying the muscle factor of today's mustangs at all, I just wanted to see how many people on here have "classics".

Fredensborg
08-09-2011, 09:34 AM
'66 Fastback here.

What kind of shape is that one in Dan?


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MadJack
08-09-2011, 11:17 AM
Fricken sexy lol.

dan I know the feel :)

No1Ford
08-09-2011, 03:44 PM
Realistically mustangs are not Muscle cars. They are pony cars. Muscle cars originally meant mid-size to full size cars with big blocks. The term has been watered down over the years. Sorry I have owned a 3.0 Contur SVT. It is way closer to a tuner car than a muscle car. Doesn't mean it can't have nice performance. Lets see one of you Contour guys beat my stock tire time of a 14.5 @ 94.75. I was only makeing 175 hp. Should be easy to do with close to 200 whp.

I can beat that with a 4x4 5700+ pound muscle truck! :uhoh:

90SC
08-09-2011, 05:17 PM
69 Mach 1 428 cj drag pack in process of restoration. Had motor on a 500 hp dyno and hit that at 2400 rpm and 515 torque . Should be fun when done.

Fredensborg
08-09-2011, 06:58 PM
69 Mach 1 428 cj drag pack in process of restoration. Had motor on a 500 hp dyno and hit that at 2400 rpm and 515 torque . Should be fun when done.

Dude, bad ass! When are you hoping to have it done?


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90SC
08-10-2011, 03:55 PM
Good question. Its in the hands of my body man aka brother inlaw. Body is ready for paint. Its been stripped down to unibody and epoxy primed. He does best work when not pushed. Plus cost is less that way. But it is his way now at his body shop, so hopefully before winter it will be candy apple red again.